CUDA: add implicit conv3d #16948

bssrdf · 2025-11-02T17:38:04Z

This PR adds an implicit conv3d op in CUDA backend, as a complement to IM2COL_3D+GEMM kernel currently used in SD.cpp for video models. It pretty much follows conv2d_implicit.

Using tensor cores, this PR outperforms IM2COL_3D+GEMM. The memory saving is significant, as expected.

ggml_cuda_init: GGML_CUDA_FORCE_MMQ:    no
ggml_cuda_init: GGML_CUDA_FORCE_CUBLAS: no
ggml_cuda_init: found 1 CUDA devices:
  Device 0: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090, compute capability 8.9, VMM: yes

(IC, OC, IW, IH, ID, KW, KH, KD)	im2col_3D+GEMM TIME	im2col_3D+GEMM VRAM	implicit GEMM TIME	implicit GEMM VRAM	pytorch/cudnn TIME
(320, 1280, 26, 38, 8, 3, 3, 3)	1.81 ms	168.85 MB	1.53 ms	38.59 MB	1.42 ms
(1280, 1280, 26, 38, 8, 3, 3, 3)	6.71 ms	559.61 MB	6.01 ms	38.59 MB	5.68 ms
(320, 1280, 52, 76, 8, 3, 3, 3)	7.39 ms	675.39 MB	3.86 ms	154.38 MB	5.64 ms
(1280, 1280, 52, 76, 8, 3, 3, 3)	26.40 ms	2238.44 MB	15.25 ms	154.38 MB	21.62 ms
(320, 1280, 104, 152, 8, 3, 3, 3)	29.36 ms	2701.56 MB	15.42 ms	617.50 MB	22.02 ms
(1280, 1280, 104, 152, 8, 3, 3, 3)	105.70 ms	8953.75 MB	60.83 ms	617.50 MB	82.19 ms
(320, 1280, 208, 304, 4, 3, 3, 3)	59.02 ms	5403.12 MB	30.06 ms	1235.00 MB	43.78 ms
(640, 1280, 208, 304, 4, 3, 3, 3)	109.66 ms	9571.25 MB	60.04 ms	1235.00 MB	83.66 ms

…a backend

… 3x slower than im2col

Green-Sky · 2025-11-02T17:54:40Z

Quick n dirty test perf run:

$ result/bin/test-conv3d
ggml_cuda_init: GGML_CUDA_FORCE_MMQ:    no
ggml_cuda_init: GGML_CUDA_FORCE_CUBLAS: no
ggml_cuda_init: found 1 CUDA devices:
  Device 0: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070, compute capability 7.5, VMM: yes

(IC, OC, IW, IH, ID, KW, KH, KD)	im2col+GEMM TIME	im2col+GEMM VRAM	implicit GEMM TIME	implicit GEMM VRAM
(320, 1280, 26, 38, 8, 3, 3, 3)	10.30 ms	168.85 MB	34.95 ms	38.59 MB
(1280, 1280, 26, 38, 8, 3, 3, 3)	37.30 ms	559.61 MB	141.30 ms	38.59 MB
(320, 1280, 52, 76, 8, 3, 3, 3)	37.85 ms	675.39 MB	137.66 ms	154.38 MB
(1280, 1280, 52, 76, 8, 3, 3, 3)	156.93 ms	2238.44 MB	558.15 ms	154.38 MB
(320, 1280, 104, 152, 8, 3, 3, 3)	157.53 ms	2701.56 MB	569.28 ms	617.50 MB

ggml_backend_cuda_buffer_type_alloc_buffer: allocating 8953.75 MiB on device 0: cudaMalloc failed: out of memory
ggml_gallocr_reserve_n: failed to allocate CUDA0 buffer of size 9388687360
Segmentation fault (core dumped)

bssrdf · 2025-11-02T18:29:20Z

Quick n dirty test perf run:
$ result/bin/test-conv3d
ggml_cuda_init: GGML_CUDA_FORCE_MMQ:    no
ggml_cuda_init: GGML_CUDA_FORCE_CUBLAS: no
ggml_cuda_init: found 1 CUDA devices:
  Device 0: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070, compute capability 7.5, VMM: yes
(IC, OC, IW, IH, ID, KW, KH, KD) im2col+GEMM TIME im2col+GEMM VRAM implicit GEMM TIME implicit GEMM VRAM
(320, 1280, 26, 38, 8, 3, 3, 3) 10.30 ms 168.85 MB 34.95 ms 38.59 MB
(1280, 1280, 26, 38, 8, 3, 3, 3) 37.30 ms 559.61 MB 141.30 ms 38.59 MB
(320, 1280, 52, 76, 8, 3, 3, 3) 37.85 ms 675.39 MB 137.66 ms 154.38 MB
(1280, 1280, 52, 76, 8, 3, 3, 3) 156.93 ms 2238.44 MB 558.15 ms 154.38 MB
(320, 1280, 104, 152, 8, 3, 3, 3) 157.53 ms 2701.56 MB 569.28 ms 617.50 MB
ggml_backend_cuda_buffer_type_alloc_buffer: allocating 8953.75 MiB on device 0: cudaMalloc failed: out of memory
ggml_gallocr_reserve_n: failed to allocate CUDA0 buffer of size 9388687360
Segmentation fault (core dumped)

Need to get tensors working:)

Green-Sky · 2025-11-02T21:37:12Z

With that last commit I am catching an illegal memory access.

[DEBUG] ggml_extend.hpp:1588 - wan_vae compute buffer size: 715.16 MB(VRAM)
[ERROR] ggml_extend.hpp:75   - ggml_cuda_compute_forward: IM2COL failed
[ERROR] ggml_extend.hpp:75   - CUDA error: an illegal memory access was encountered
[ERROR] ggml_extend.hpp:75   -   current device: 0, in function ggml_cuda_compute_forward at /build/fr4p6mskfb7pv7d6n87kfpipj5dr1bql-source/ggml/src/ggml-cuda/ggml-cuda.cu:2544
[ERROR] ggml_extend.hpp:75   -   err
/build/fr4p6mskfb7pv7d6n87kfpipj5dr1bql-source/ggml/src/ggml-cuda/ggml-cuda.cu:89: CUDA error

bssrdf · 2025-11-02T22:31:43Z

With that last commit I am catching an illegal memory access.

[DEBUG] ggml_extend.hpp:1588 - wan_vae compute buffer size: 715.16 MB(VRAM)
[ERROR] ggml_extend.hpp:75   - ggml_cuda_compute_forward: IM2COL failed
[ERROR] ggml_extend.hpp:75   - CUDA error: an illegal memory access was encountered
[ERROR] ggml_extend.hpp:75   -   current device: 0, in function ggml_cuda_compute_forward at /build/fr4p6mskfb7pv7d6n87kfpipj5dr1bql-source/ggml/src/ggml-cuda/ggml-cuda.cu:2544
[ERROR] ggml_extend.hpp:75   -   err
/build/fr4p6mskfb7pv7d6n87kfpipj5dr1bql-source/ggml/src/ggml-cuda/ggml-cuda.cu:89: CUDA error

Give it another try. Tensor core path should be on and working.

ggml_cuda_init: GGML_CUDA_FORCE_MMQ:    no
ggml_cuda_init: GGML_CUDA_FORCE_CUBLAS: no
ggml_cuda_init: found 1 CUDA devices:
  Device 0: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090, compute capability 8.9, VMM: yes

(IC, OC, IW, IH, ID, KW, KH, KD)	im2col+GEMM TIME	im2col+GEMM VRAM	implicit GEMM TIME	implicit GEMM VRAM
(320, 1280, 26, 38, 8, 3, 3, 3)	1.88 ms	168.85 MB	1.54 ms	38.59 MB
(1280, 1280, 26, 38, 8, 3, 3, 3)	6.76 ms	559.61 MB	6.18 ms	38.59 MB
(320, 1280, 52, 76, 8, 3, 3, 3)	7.58 ms	675.39 MB	3.99 ms	154.38 MB
(1280, 1280, 52, 76, 8, 3, 3, 3)	26.99 ms	2238.44 MB	15.51 ms	154.38 MB
(320, 1280, 104, 152, 8, 3, 3, 3)	30.06 ms	2701.56 MB	15.86 ms	617.50 MB
(1280, 1280, 104, 152, 8, 3, 3, 3)	108.33 ms	8953.75 MB	62.23 ms	617.50 MB
(320, 1280, 208, 304, 4, 3, 3, 3)	60.33 ms	5403.12 MB	30.79 ms	1235.00 MB
(640, 1280, 208, 304, 4, 3, 3, 3)	112.34 ms	9571.25 MB	61.49 ms	1235.00 MB

Green-Sky · 2025-11-02T23:14:22Z

Looks good!

$ result/bin/test-conv3d
ggml_cuda_init: GGML_CUDA_FORCE_MMQ:    no
ggml_cuda_init: GGML_CUDA_FORCE_CUBLAS: no
ggml_cuda_init: found 1 CUDA devices:
  Device 0: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070, compute capability 7.5, VMM: yes

(IC, OC, IW, IH, ID, KW, KH, KD)	im2col+GEMM TIME	im2col+GEMM VRAM	implicit GEMM TIME	implicit GEMM VRAM
(320, 1280, 26, 38, 8, 3, 3, 3)	11.35 ms	168.85 MB	6.15 ms	38.59 MB
(1280, 1280, 26, 38, 8, 3, 3, 3)	39.40 ms	559.61 MB	24.59 ms	38.59 MB
(320, 1280, 52, 76, 8, 3, 3, 3)	40.52 ms	675.39 MB	23.23 ms	154.38 MB
(1280, 1280, 52, 76, 8, 3, 3, 3)	166.10 ms	2238.44 MB	91.93 ms	154.38 MB
(320, 1280, 104, 152, 8, 3, 3, 3)	164.08 ms	2701.56 MB	91.41 ms	617.50 MB

ggml_backend_cuda_buffer_type_alloc_buffer: allocating 8953.75 MiB on device 0: cudaMalloc failed: out of memory
ggml_gallocr_reserve_n: failed to allocate CUDA0 buffer of size 9388687360
Segmentation fault (core dumped)

jeffbolznv · 2025-11-02T23:24:50Z

Please add the perf tests to make_test_cases_perf in test-backend-ops.cpp.

bssrdf · 2025-11-02T23:44:20Z

Looks good!
$ result/bin/test-conv3d
ggml_cuda_init: GGML_CUDA_FORCE_MMQ:    no
ggml_cuda_init: GGML_CUDA_FORCE_CUBLAS: no
ggml_cuda_init: found 1 CUDA devices:
  Device 0: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070, compute capability 7.5, VMM: yes
(IC, OC, IW, IH, ID, KW, KH, KD) im2col+GEMM TIME im2col+GEMM VRAM implicit GEMM TIME implicit GEMM VRAM
(320, 1280, 26, 38, 8, 3, 3, 3) 11.35 ms 168.85 MB 6.15 ms 38.59 MB
(1280, 1280, 26, 38, 8, 3, 3, 3) 39.40 ms 559.61 MB 24.59 ms 38.59 MB
(320, 1280, 52, 76, 8, 3, 3, 3) 40.52 ms 675.39 MB 23.23 ms 154.38 MB
(1280, 1280, 52, 76, 8, 3, 3, 3) 166.10 ms 2238.44 MB 91.93 ms 154.38 MB
(320, 1280, 104, 152, 8, 3, 3, 3) 164.08 ms 2701.56 MB 91.41 ms 617.50 MB
ggml_backend_cuda_buffer_type_alloc_buffer: allocating 8953.75 MiB on device 0: cudaMalloc failed: out of memory
ggml_gallocr_reserve_n: failed to allocate CUDA0 buffer of size 9388687360
Segmentation fault (core dumped)

Please add the perf tests to make_test_cases_perf in test-backend-ops.cpp.

Will do. Right now, test-backend-op test -o CONV_3D failed to pass.

@Green-Sky , does the WAN video generation work ok?

Green-Sky · 2025-11-02T23:52:51Z

@Green-Sky , does the WAN video generation work ok?

As far as I can tell yes. I have only tested Wan2.2-TI2V-5B yet (wan2.2 vae).

Single "frame" (aka image gen using wan):

I don't have the im2col gemm image ready, but it looked identical. Same for 5 frames.

I was unable to run higher frame counts due to my 8gig vram limit. It should technically just fit if I restart and don't open extra programs. Not gonna do that today.

Green-Sky · 2025-11-03T00:14:13Z

@Green-Sky , does the WAN video generation work ok?

I tried a smaller resolution and I did get another illegal memory access:

[DEBUG] ggml_extend.hpp:1588 - wan_vae compute buffer size: 5393.97 MB(VRAM)
[ERROR] ggml_extend.hpp:75   - ggml_cuda_compute_forward: CONCAT failed
[ERROR] ggml_extend.hpp:75   - CUDA error: an illegal memory access was encountered
[ERROR] ggml_extend.hpp:75   -   current device: 0, in function ggml_cuda_compute_forward at /build/jj5n0s93mbksd9wmv6vrs8dxmhcvhnik-source/ggml/src/ggml-cuda/ggml-cuda.cu:2544
[ERROR] ggml_extend.hpp:75   -   err

bssrdf · 2025-11-03T13:51:04Z

@Green-Sky , does the WAN video generation work ok?

I tried a smaller resolution and I did get another illegal memory access:

[DEBUG] ggml_extend.hpp:1588 - wan_vae compute buffer size: 5393.97 MB(VRAM)
[ERROR] ggml_extend.hpp:75   - ggml_cuda_compute_forward: CONCAT failed
[ERROR] ggml_extend.hpp:75   - CUDA error: an illegal memory access was encountered
[ERROR] ggml_extend.hpp:75   -   current device: 0, in function ggml_cuda_compute_forward at /build/jj5n0s93mbksd9wmv6vrs8dxmhcvhnik-source/ggml/src/ggml-cuda/ggml-cuda.cu:2544
[ERROR] ggml_extend.hpp:75   -   err

@Green-Sky, can you retry my latest commit? I see your test failed at CONCAT op. That's weird. Could you also run this case with current main branch? Thanks.

Green-Sky · 2025-11-03T15:45:46Z

@Green-Sky, can you retry my latest commit? I see your test failed at CONCAT op. That's weird. Could you also run this case with current main branch? Thanks.

Same issue on last commit and on latest ggml.

Keep in mind that sd.cpp uses ggml and not llama.cpp, so I have to change the patch manually and apply it onto ggml. :)

bssrdf · 2025-11-03T15:55:49Z

@Green-Sky, can you retry my latest commit? I see your test failed at CONCAT op. That's weird. Could you also run this case with current main branch? Thanks.

Same issue on last commit and on latest ggml.

Keep in mind that sd.cpp uses ggml and not llama.cpp, so I have to change the patch manually and apply it onto ggml. :)

So it is a ggml issue?

Green-Sky · 2025-11-03T15:58:32Z

@Green-Sky, can you retry my latest commit? I see your test failed at CONCAT op. That's weird. Could you also run this case with current main branch? Thanks.

Same issue on last commit and on latest ggml.
Keep in mind that sd.cpp uses ggml and not llama.cpp, so I have to change the patch manually and apply it onto ggml. :)

So it is a ggml issue?

I can not definitively say that, might be sd.cpp too. But afaik the concat is operating on the outputs of conv3d operations. Maybe we are missing a sync somewhere.

Green-Sky · 2025-11-03T16:54:33Z

@leejet I suspect sd.cpp is doing something wrong here, because if width and height are multiples of 32, decoding works. But if they are just multiples of 16 I get that illegal memory access error.

But it is still possible that it is an error with this pr.

Green-Sky · 2025-11-03T17:07:34Z

$ result/bin/sd -M vid_gen --diffusion-model models/wan/Wan2.2-TI2V-5B-Q8_0.gguf --vae models/wan/Wan2.2_VAE.safetensors --t5xxl models/wan/umt5-xxl-encoder-Q8_0.gguf -p "a lovely cat strolling down a wooden plank" --cfg-scale 6 --sampling-method euler -v -n "色调艳丽，过曝，静态，细节模糊不清，字幕，风格，作品，画作，画面，静止，整体发灰，最差质量，低质量，JPEG压缩残留，丑陋的，残缺的，多余的手指，画得不好的手部，画得不好的脸部，畸形的，毁容的，形态畸形的肢体，手指融合，静止不动的画面，杂乱的背景，三条腿，背景人很多，倒着走" -W 576 -H 352 --diffusion-fa --offload-to-cpu --video-frames 33 --flow-shift 3.0 --steps 48

wan2.2-TI2V-5B-Q8_0-cat-strolling_funkysize.mp4

bssrdf · 2025-11-09T22:31:41Z

@leejet I suspect sd.cpp is doing something wrong here, because if width and height are multiples of 32, decoding works. But if they are just multiples of 16 I get that illegal memory access error.

But it is still possible that it is an error with this pr.

@Green-Sky, I just fixed a bug which may be related to your crash. Please give it a try. Thanks,

Green-Sky · 2025-11-10T11:05:54Z

@leejet I suspect sd.cpp is doing something wrong here, because if width and height are multiples of 32, decoding works. But if they are just multiples of 16 I get that illegal memory access error.
But it is still possible that it is an error with this pr.

@Green-Sky, I just fixed a bug which may be related to your crash. Please give it a try. Thanks,

Yes, I can indeed now use multiples of 16, that are not multiples of 32. 🚀

wan2.2-TI2V-5B-Q8_0-cat-strolling_funkysize_16.mp4

Green-Sky · 2025-11-10T13:49:08Z

I switched to the fastwan 2.2 TI2V 5B model and generated using 6 steps the most frames+res I could fit.

576x352 93frames

fastwan2.2-t2i5b_cat1-steps6.mp4

... in 56 seconds total. On CPU this would take probably over 1 hour.

bssrdf · 2025-11-10T14:31:43Z

I switched to the fastwan 2.2 TI2V 5B model and generated using 6 steps the most frames+res I could fit.

576x352 93frames

fastwan2.2-t2i5b_cat1-steps6.mp4
... in 56 seconds total. On CPU this would take probably over 1 hour.

@Green-Sky , can you compare the performance IM2COL_3D vs IMPLICIT GEMM? Thanks.

Green-Sky · 2025-11-10T14:37:46Z

@Green-Sky , can you compare the performance IM2COL_3D vs IMPLICIT GEMM? Thanks.

With sd.cpp that is rather impractical for me, I dont have 20Gigs of vram 😄. I can only run a limited selection of the tests that you provide.

bssrdf · 2025-11-10T15:22:17Z

@Green-Sky , can you compare the performance IM2COL_3D vs IMPLICIT GEMM? Thanks.

With sd.cpp that is rather impractical for me, I dont have 20Gigs of vram 😄. I can only run a limited selection of the tests that you provide.

Sure. You have done a lot of great jobs testing these PRs in sd.cpp. Many thanks.

Green-Sky · 2025-11-10T15:41:43Z

@Green-Sky , can you compare the performance IM2COL_3D vs IMPLICIT GEMM? Thanks.

With sd.cpp that is rather impractical for me, I dont have 20Gigs of vram 😄. I can only run a limited selection of the tests that you provide.

Sure. You have done a lot of great jobs testing these PRs in sd.cpp. Many thanks.

I will redo this one later #16948 (comment) , but as you can see it did not complete it.

:)

Green-Sky · 2025-11-10T22:23:27Z

Was experimenting more with wan and got another of those illegal access errors in CONCAT. But I am not latest, so I will check latest.

-W 608 -H 368 --diffusion-fa --offload-to-cpu --video-frames 33 --flow-shift 3.5 --steps 6 (among others)
sample 38x23x9

edit: It has indeed been fixed somewhere in the last few commits: :)

Green-Sky · 2025-11-11T21:47:11Z

You changed the test selection again :P

Anyway, here is that one test:

$ result/bin/test-conv3d
ggml_cuda_init: GGML_CUDA_FORCE_MMQ:    no
ggml_cuda_init: GGML_CUDA_FORCE_CUBLAS: no
ggml_cuda_init: found 1 CUDA devices:
  Device 0: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070, compute capability 7.5, VMM: yes

(IC, OC, IW, IH, ID, KW, KH, KD)	im2col+GEMM TIME	im2col+GEMM VRAM	implicit GEMM TIME	implicit GEMM VRAM
(320, 320, 104, 158, 8, 3, 3, 3)	110.58 ms	2326.80 MB	34.35 ms	160.47 MB

edit: Can you keep them enabled, and not commit your last selection? Also, would be really cool if they where sorted a bit by vram use by im2col+gemm. That would really help bench this on more hardware.

bssrdf · 2025-11-11T23:28:18Z

You changed the test selection again :P

Anyway, here is that one test:
$ result/bin/test-conv3d
ggml_cuda_init: GGML_CUDA_FORCE_MMQ:    no
ggml_cuda_init: GGML_CUDA_FORCE_CUBLAS: no
ggml_cuda_init: found 1 CUDA devices:
  Device 0: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070, compute capability 7.5, VMM: yes
(IC, OC, IW, IH, ID, KW, KH, KD) im2col+GEMM TIME im2col+GEMM VRAM implicit GEMM TIME implicit GEMM VRAM
(320, 320, 104, 158, 8, 3, 3, 3) 110.58 ms 2326.80 MB 34.35 ms 160.47 MB
edit: Can you keep them enabled, and not commit your last selection? Also, would be really cool if they where sorted a bit by vram use by im2col+gemm. That would really help bench this on more hardware.

Sorry, I am just adding more test cases (obtained from sd.cpp wan generation). I want to test these real world cases instead of makeup ones. But in my commit I am going to turn most off because CI will time out otherwise. You can always easily turn them on by uncommenting them.

bssrdf added 5 commits November 1, 2025 20:08

use conv2d_implicit as template; add conv3d parameters

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WIP: updating indices for input and kernel; enable OP_CONV_3D for cud…

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…a backend

WIP: build ok

0a64ea8

conv3d WIP: added a test case

e802036

conv3D WIP: fixed a launch param bug, results now correct; performace…

a5b68bc

… 3x slower than im2col

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The Process of Wan2.1 t2v 1.3B VAE Decoding needs too much VRAM/RAM??? leejet/stable-diffusion.cpp#872

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fuse cast to float into conv epilogue; improve swizzling for output

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added split-k mode to tensor core path

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updated test cases using tensor shapes from sd.cpp wan video generation

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add a case havign memory access violation

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